12 wins, 5 CR's, plus four 2nd, five 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 9th, 16th, 20th, 28th, 38th, and 62nd place, with 1 DNF
Short-Term Running Goals:
None for now
Long-Term Running Goals:
Unretire at some point
Run a sub-6 hr 50 miler
Win a 100 mile ultramarathon
I have five cute kids. And I have some rockin short green racing shorts- I wear them mainly because it embarrasses my wife so much. I like ultimate frisbee, trail running, reading, and cheering for the Denver Broncos! And I have the absolute best wife in the world. And I used to run for the now-disbanded national Team Pearl Izumi- Ultra!
There is a 50k in Ashland next month put on by Hal Koerner. Lots of speedy guys show up (Max King, Eric Skaggs, etc). Any tips for someone (me) considering a race in the mountains that's 5 miles longer than I've ever raced before?
From Jon on Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 21:27:40 from 18.104.22.168
Yeah- have fun and start easy.
It depends on your goals. If you want to maximize your chance of a good time and enjoyable race, start easier than you think. You should hit mile 10 thinking you are going too slow. By mile 20 you'll feel like you're going fast enough. And by 30 you'll wish you had started slower. In all seriousness, just don't go too fast the first 10 miles, or you'll lose 30 min at the end.
Also, nutrition- aim for 200-300 calories an hour, 20 oz water/hr, and might want to look into a couple S-caps.
Other than that, good luck and have fun!
From Jon on Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 21:29:12 from 22.214.171.124
If I wasn't clear, I suggest carrying water. 1 bottle is more than enough.
Or, just go out with Max and company and see what happens! You never know. But you'll likely end up death marching the last hour if you do.
Great advice. Thanks. I guess I wasn't clear; regardless of who shows up ie Max, I wouldn't 'race.' I'm more interested in the experience and accomplishment than the time/place. For my first ultra anyway... ;-)
I know you personally shoot for certain finishing times in your races because, well, your good and set course records and all that. But for me and my first one, should I even wear a watch and bother to know pace? If so, what would you recommend. On roads, my everyday pace for all my runs, regardless of distance, is 7:00/mile. How do you think that translates to the hills?
I'm all for starting easy so its not a horribly miserable experience the last 5-10 miles.
From Jon on Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 17:12:07 from 126.96.36.199
I was fortunate that I won my first few ultras, mainly cause the opening pace was easy by the lead group.
It's your call on the watch- I like knowing how far I've gone so I can gauge how much longer I have. But you're an experienced runner- pace wise, my advice is just run at the pace you think you can sustain for 4 hours or so. Go by effort- 7 min pace effort or so (no mattter what trail pace is). It really should feel fairly easy the first third of the race. If you hit the last third, you can always pick the pace up a lot if you feel great.
From Jon on Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 17:13:27 from 188.8.131.52
In other words, go by perceived effort, not actual pace. And make sure to eat/drink regularly right from mile 1.
Next question; you mention 200-300 calories an hour. Normally I take just 2 Gu's per marathon. Obviously, I'll need more as I'll be running for 4 hours or so, but with each Gu being only 100 calories, what else would you suggest eating? Probably a lame question, but humor me. Haha.
Lastly, would you have a a 2nd pair of shoes to switch into at some point? Or is that something to not worry about with a 50k; only for the longer ones?
Thanks again for the tips.
From Jon on Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 05:57:49 from 184.108.40.206
In a 50k (or even a 100 miler), I do almost exclusively gu's, clif bloks, etc. They will have a wide variety of foods at the aid stations, though, so feel free to peruse and choose. I always like fruit and soda, too. If you want to eat real food, I suggest putting a sandwich baggie in your shorts pocket, which you can load in an aid station and then eat as you run.
I wouldn't worry about shoes for a 50k. Even a 50 miler, I usually don't change shoes. You should be fine.
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